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CROWLEY: Joining me now, Congressman
SCHIFF: Well, I think we know a lot more about the when than the where. And you can tell that from the breadth of the closures across
But this is not the usual kind of chatter, not the more generalized death to the Americans or death to great Satan, but had to be corroborated or come from very reliable sources to take this kind of action. So, I think we're doing what's necessary to protect our people. We're also protecting our sources. And, I think that's exactly the right step.
CROWLEY: There are also reports out there that there's a team of terrorists is already in place. From what you know, is this a single target event or is the fear that it's a multi-target event?
SCHIFF: Well, I think, given the breadth of the closures, you can tell there's concern about seeing something like we saw a year ago where there were riots and attacks at multiple embassies around the world. There has to be a lot of concern as well with the recent prison breaks in
So, we have a lot of things coming together, including the significance of the end of
We obviously have our military forces deployed in a different way than we did a year ago so that they can take rapid action if necessary. But the concern is a broad one. Hopefully, we'll fend off this attack.
CROWLEY: Senator Graham just told me that he thinks that these threats are yet another reason for those who have been critics of the national security agencies, the depth and the breadth of their intelligence collecting. It should show that that depth and that breadth should stay there. You've been a critic of the sheer reach of the NSA. Does this make you change your mind?
SCHIFF: It doesn't, and I think you have to be very careful about how much you represent that any particular program has contributed to our security. And I know Senator Graham said that this shows that we need to continue these particular programs, but if you look at the one that's most at issue here, that's the bulk metadata program, there's no indication, unless I'm proved wrong later that that program which collects vast amounts of domestic data, domestic telephony data, contributed to information about this particular plot.
And I think that with respect to any of the NSA programs, we need to ask ourselves three questions, we need to ask whether it's constitutional, whether it's effective, and whether it's structured in a way that minimizes any unnecessary imposition on our privacy. And if you look at that third criteria, I don't think the metadata program can survive in its current form.
I've been urging the NSA for some time to restructure the program so that the telephone companies hold on to their own data. There's no reason for the government to obtain all that.
SCHIFF: We can still go to those companies when necessary.
CROWLEY: Congressman, I want to bring in a couple of other folks in this conversation. Our CNN national security analyst,
If you are an American traveling abroad and someone says to you, hey, there's a global terrorist alert here, be careful. I can just imagine sitting there in my hotel room in
CROWLEY: Congressman, it just seems pretty vague and almost something like that the U.S. has to do, but there's nothing specific for tourists or Americans, expats to do really.
SCHIFF: Well, I think Peter's right. All we can do is take reasonable precautions. There may be certain places that tourists were going to go that they want to write off for this time and this trip, but, you know, I think that all we can do is ask for prudence here, and I think that also we're seeing some of the Benghazi effect here.
We don't want to have another terrible loss of life, and so we're taking a very broad response to this to make sure that we're prepared as possible. But being vigilant, participating in the step program with the state department, these are some reasonable steps people can take.
CROWLEY: And Fran, let me just turn you in a slightly different direction. If nothing happens today, certainly, we hope that's the case, what makes tomorrow safer than today? What makes Tuesday safer than Monday or Wednesday? It just seems to me that this can be kind of — I mean, you might as well just shut down forever because you can't be shut down awaiting a terrorist attack for whenever it's going to come.
Once you take targets away, it buys you additional time to try and disrupt, to identify the cell, the operators in country and the region, and work with your partners in the region to try and, you know, get them in custody or disrupt the plot. So, some of this operationally is about buying time.
And I think that's why you see, you know, in
CROWLEY: I guess, congressman, though, that I would think, were I a terrorist, I'd just wait it out.
SCHIFF: And they may, but Fran makes a good point. As they're waiting for another target of opportunity, we're gathering more intelligence, and it may be it gives us the chance to take some of the leadership off the battlefield or to neutralize the threat or to reinforce our defenses. All of those options are far superior to not making this warning to suffering an attack and the potential loss of life. So it gains us time. It also, you're right, does tip off our adversaries, potentially, if we're not careful, to what the source of information or sources may be, but also they need to pick a better time or target of opportunity. But I think all of those risks and costs are worth it in terms of buying time for more intelligence and protecting our people.
CROWLEY: Congressman, Peter brings us a good point because not just we can bide our time. It's, hey, let's try a softer target here. And that's always a possibility. But as a final question, let me ask you this. I asked this of Senator Graham, if we all know what the intent of terrorism is. It's to make people afraid. Where is that line? When you have the government saying, we're going to shut down 22 embassies. There's this imminent threat. By the way, Americans, be really careful, and we're moving the military around in certain spots, it's getting pretty close to be afraid.
BERGEN: If we're not terrorized, terrorism doesn't work, yet, you know, the government is responsible for the safety of particularly its employees and…
BERGEN: … all Americans. So, you know, no —
CROWLEY: And you don't want to be the guy that says, now we don't need to tell people and then have it —
BERGEN: You don't want to be the official a year from now sitting here on
CROWLEY: Knew about.
CROWLEY: Exactly. I hope all of you will stand by.
When we return Democrats stay on message, but is it the right one?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Expanding the middle class and growing jobs.
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CROWLEY: Next up, the man in charge of getting more Democrats jobs in the
CROWLEY: I'm joined by
Congressman, thank you for joining us. We had some jobs figures that came out this week. Unemployment, the jobless rate did come down, but when we looked at the larger picture of what's going on in the jobs market, we see that there's only about 63 percent labor participation. We see that 8.2 million workers are involuntarily working part-time, and we also see that many of these jobs that are being created are low-wage jobs. Is this the kind of economic picture that you can sell next year?
ISRAEL: What we have to do is have different priorities than the priorities the House Republicans are giving us right now. In their attempts, their relentless attempts to obstruct the president, to obstruct Democrats from solutions, they're actually obstructing Democratic growth.
Candy, I had the best answer to your question yesterday. I had a town meeting in
If you listen to the Republicans, my final point, if you listen to what the Republicans are saying, they're going to come back in September and double down on obstruction that hurts the economy, continuing to repeal the Affordable Care Act. They've done it 40 times. They're going to do it again. And now they're talking about shutting down the government unless they get their ideological objectives. We think there are better priorities.
CROWLEY: Sure. Let me say that probably the customers of some of these Republicans are quite different than the customers at your town hall meeting, because it's a pretty diverse country. But I wanted to ask you about Obamacare, because we had the head of the
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WERFEL: I prefer to stay with the current policy that I'm pleased with rather than go through a change if I don't need to go through that change.
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CROWLEY: This guy was appointed by — he's the acting
ISRAEL: Well, I can't speak for him. I can speak for me. As a member of
I'll tell you what I will not do. I will not agree with Republicans in repealing the Affordable Care Act and putting insurance companies in charge of insurance, in charge of health care. I will not give insurance companies free rein to tell a woman with breast cancer that I represent that her breast cancer is a preexisting condition. I will not do that.
CROWLEY: Congressman, let me bring in our roundtable here.
Let me just extrapolate what we just heard from Congressman Israel, and that is that the election next year, barring some big deal breakthrough and the economy goes booming is, the economy would be much better if the Republicans just weren't standing in our way, vote Democratic. Yes?
CASTELLANOS: I think that's what the congressman would love to have, but if you go out there and ask in America, do you think
CROWLEY: I think their message is you're standing in the way of Obamacare, you're standing in the way of more jobs.
CASTELLANOS: That's what they'd like it to be, but there is another side.
DUNN: And there is, but I'm sure Alex would be shocked to hear that I disagree with him.
CASTELLANOS: The first time.
DUNN: And, Candy, I think it's an important issue. I think the conventional wisdom, for example, has been that Obamacare as a 2014 issue potentially hurts Democrats. If you look at what's happening right now, Obamacare is hurting the
DAVIS: Let me jump in for one second.
DAVIS: The irony of this recovery is that it's exactly the kind of recovery that, when I was a Democrat, we used to complain was a Republican kind of recovery. And here is what I mean when I say that. If you're an American who's doing very well, frankly, this recovery has been pretty good for you. If you're someone whose income is primarily derived from stocks, if you are someone who owns a company, your profits are up. A lot of companies' profits are up. But if you're a middle-class American, if you are a working-class American, this recovery has not been terribly good for you, and that's the irony of it.
CROWLEY: Congressman, I want you to know I hear you. But I am going to —
BRAZILE: No, I'm listening.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She's much smarter than me.
BRAZILE: Look, I'm in the choir here, and I'm just listening to the other congregants. But the truth of the matter is, is that Democrats are going to campaign on an economy that is still recovering from the greatest recession since the Great Depression. We're going to campaign, I believe, on the fact that we're trying to end the sequester, which is stalling economic growth, and we're going to campaign on the fact that Democrats have pro-job growth policies. We're not going to sit around and wait for the Republicans to continue to put breaks on the economy at a time when middle class families are struggling.
CASTELLANOS: One thing we can agree on, I think, is that the Republicans have never been very good at playing the shut down the government card. It has actually never helped. We're going to hold our breath until you, the voter, turns blue, is not good political strategy.
CROWLEY: Which is probably why it's not going to happen.
CASTELLANOS: Yes, probably won't.
CROWLEY: But it's a great sort of thing to hit (ph) for the Republicans.
ISRAEL: Candy, may I?
CROWLEY: Yes, Congressman, go ahead.
ISRAEL: Thank you. Two of these points. Look, we're not going to campaign on the fact that the Republicans are chaotic and that the
And we should pass a budget in September instead of shutting down the government. My final point. We should pass a government — pass a budget that is solutions based, that reduces debt in a balanced way, that is fair to the middle class, protects rather than privatizes
DAVIS: If you talk to so many people who are running businesses, so many people who are working in mid-sized (ph) companies, they'll tell you that there's a big challenge in this economy, and frankly, it's not the things we've been talking about this morning.
The challenge in this economy is that there's so much uncertainty. There's a regulatory environment that keeps getting bigger and bigger. Ordinary people who are having to make business decisions day in and day out, worry about the uncertainty. They worry about the fact that
Context (ph) to (ph) Obamacare. So many families right now, so many people in the business world worry that Obamacare is going to change the state of play for them. That makes it tougher for them to hire.
CROWLEY: 30 seconds, Anita, real quick.
CASTELLANOS: Poor Congressman Israel seems to forget that
CROWLEY: True that, Anita.
ISRAEL: But we did now.
ISRAEL: We have a budget.
DUNN: — is traveling to talk about a better bargain for the middle class. He's talking about what we need to do for middle class families. And right now, the Republicans have been very busy voting for the 40th time to repeal Obamacare. I think the American people get choices, and there is a clear choice.
CASTELLANOS: Do you think
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